FaithfullDog Says:

Jul 18, 2008 - Name a country for me that Christianity hasn't been spread to. The Polynesian Islands (Oceania) were long ago Christianized. So far I have personally worshiped in Christian churches in mainland China, Taiwan, HongKong, Turkey, Japan, and Sri Lanka. I know Christians in Mongolia and Nigeria. Had lunch with a Christian from Sudan. My bff works at a church in New Guinea. Churches are throughout Africa. Some of the Arab countries persecute, but we are there anyway. Where is this place you speak of?

Ravindra9689 Says:

Jul 18, 2008 - And here you have not read the "More info" part of this. It doesn't matter that it doesn't happen today (There are many tribes around the world, small as they may be, it doesn't matter) who have no heard of Jesus Christ.Christianity was invented, or became official in the way it is now, in around 400 A.D and then spread through out the world. Think in terms of that if you'd like, it doesn't change the point just because now we live in a time where ALMOST everyone has heard something about it.

podiumman2 Says:

Jul 18, 2008 - It doesn't matter about the whole heaven hell thing -- neither place has been proven to exist. I say, quit being arrogant about your beliefs. Xians have missionaries because their attitude is, "My beliefs are better than yours." Leave these people around the world, even here, ALONE!!

Ravindra9689 Says:

Jul 18, 2008 - Well, my question is based on their beliefs not mine, the question is directed at them and what they accomplish by doing it. I don't hate them or anything, thanks for the comment, peace.

Matur1n Says:

Jul 18, 2008 - To be fair to FD, the crux of your video involved an island of 100,000 that had not been touched by Christianity or the gospel. I assume FD is just wanting to know where on earth such an island could be, as the Pacific islands have been more heavily "missionaried" during the 19th/20th centuries than any other place on Earth. Your video is entitled "End missionary work" and proposes that Christians stop sending Missionaries. That doesn't fit with "it doesn't matter that it doesn't happen today".

Ravindra9689 Says:

Jul 19, 2008 - Hmmmm.."heavily missionaried"..I'll let that pun go. But i understand exactly what you mean and will most likely change the title of this video. But as i said, the point still stands. (I even annotated the vid)

Matur1n Says:

Jul 19, 2008 - But as i said, the point still stands. "Rather than the point standing, I would say your questions still stands. What happens to Alaskan eskimoes or Pacific islanders living in the 12th century that didn't hear about Jesus. I think the answer is going to be that we don't know. All we know from the Bible is that God will judge them (if they exist). One thing to remember that seems to confuse some atheists, is that we aren't punished for disbelief, we are punished for our own personal sins.

Ravindra9689 Says:

Jul 19, 2008 - Granted, well said. However, the bible says that all our righteous actions are like filthy rags. And that it doesn't matter how "good" you are because "no man doeth good". And how can it be my personal sin if, in fact, I am born with sin already in me?

Matur1n Says:

Jul 19, 2008 - "... my personal sin if, in fact, I am born with sin already in me?"I do not believe we already have sin in us. Sin is something we do later, once we are old enough to understand right from wrong. The original sin idea is not a biblical one. The idea arose centuries after the church was established, a misreading of a NT verse about Adam. Clearly young children are sinless. Matthew 18:3 say we have to become sinless like little children to enter the kingdom of heaven. Also see Mark 10:14

Ravindra9689 Says:

Jul 19, 2008 - Oh, ok, because that "All out righteous acts are like filthy rags" Thing doesn't sit well with me, what are your thoughts one that? I once asked a man if I, a person who has saved too people (Got hurt in one case and don't regret it, the scar reminds me how precious life is)and I never lie for myself, though i do admit for helping other people (nothing huge, more like lying by omission) and just an over all nice guy you would say..deserves the same fate as a mass murderer, he said yes.

Ravindra9689 Says:

Jul 19, 2008 - Not saying i'm the GREATEST person to ever live. But that seems to be the implication of Christianity, believe in this book, or burn forever in the hottest fire imaginable..

Matur1n Says:

Jul 19, 2008 - It is the sins that are the issue, not the times you may have tried to do something good. It is too much like husbands buying their wife an expensive gift after punching them the night before. It isn't something you can cancel out. "deserves the same fate as a mass murderer"We don't know whether there will be harsher punishment or not for one person or another. God knows everything. Even nice guys have sinned if you knew all they did.

Ravindra9689 Says:

Jul 20, 2008 - This may be true, but if our "sinning" begins at say, 13 I'm only 18, i'm pretty sure i remember my life lol aaaaand can't think of anything "wrong" even commandment wise except for the sabbath thing but i guess one is all you need to fry huh...and some are just unreasonable..do not covet? i mean...that's our economy lol..it may have worked 2000 years ago in the desert with tents and such, but not here, not now...

Matur1n Says:

Jul 20, 2008 - Actually, the 10 commandments were given to the Jews, not to Christianity. Gentiles don't have to keep the sabbath. You may find many of the Christian principles unreasonable. "Turn the other cheek" isn't reasonable. Forgiving people 70 times 7 times ins't reasonable. "Going the extra mile" isn't reasonable. "Loving your enemies" isn't reasonable. Do you really believe you have never lied or shaded the truth to anyone in your life? Never taken advantage of anyone financially? Never lusted?

Matur1n Says:

Jul 20, 2008 - You are focusing on Jewish law with the "tents" comment, that may be why we aren't subject to the 600+ Jewish laws. Jesus was killed in Jerusalem, a capital city with a large population. The last supper was in an upstairs room. The triumphal entry was equivalent to a NY ticker tape parade. Christian principles work well in a modern world. But yes, it does take only one sin to condemn you, though few will go through life without many sins, I expect. Christianity is much more than just heaven/hell

Ravindra9689 Says:

Jul 20, 2008 - Advantage financially? No, never, i wouldn't do that, i actually lend money more than i borrow it, and if i do borrow then i pay it back in the time i said i would. Lusted? That's not even near reasonable, it's a biological function of humans, we see people who we are attracted to, and maybe want to do them so what? How can you create a creature, then ask it to go against it's nature? That, in itself is plain unreasonable.

Ravindra9689 Says:

Jul 20, 2008 - "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery already with her in his heart."Now, doesn't that seem like a change of plans? Making things a bit more difficult there isn't he? But to answer your question, of course I have, at some point. And like i said, in my teenage years i haven't lied, and besides,16 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

Ravindra9689 Says:

Jul 20, 2008 - Doesn't seem like a regular lie to me, that's lying ABOUT someone else, which is wrong, it's betraying your neighbor, saying "Yeah he did it i saw him" is a horrible thing to do.My "lies" are along the lines of "Do you think i look nice in the dress?"..."Well, it's not that bad but i like the other one better" instead of just saying "Yes, in fact it's hideous" either that or i cover for someone by saying they did something good when it was me and they totally spaced and forgot all about it.

Matur1n Says:

Jul 20, 2008 - "You have heard that it was said to those of old..."You have now realized how different the NT is than the OT. In some ways much harder, others easier, but it is a radical change. Many atheists don't seem to get this. In the OT you just couldn't steal your neighbor's stuff, but you could envy him and hope his stuff rots. In the NT you not only can't steal, you can't even envy and must wish him well. In that way, as with lust, etc it is much harder. The OT was strict adherance to rules-contd-

Matur1n Says:

Jul 20, 2008 - -contd-The NT is much more based on love and god's grace. Although we have a much tougher task, e.g. loving your neighbor is much harder than just refraining from killing him, we are forgiven our sins as long as we are really trying our best to follow Jesus and have him in our hearts. So we are allowed occasional screwups (sins) as long as we maintain our relationship with Jesus. That is how it is easier than the OT.P.S. Just to clarify lust, it is more than just thinking she is attractive.

Ravindra9689 Says:

Jul 20, 2008 - Interesting...so...YHWH telling his soldiers they can have the virgin girls of the towns they conquered as sex slaves, and if they don't like doing them they can let them go well just what is that? I mean, isn't it lust for them to even want those women?

Matur1n Says:

Jul 20, 2008 - First, that isn't an accurate description of that passage. Again, you are back to confusing the OT and NT. I thought you were past that. It is in the NT that Christians aren't supposed to lust. The OT said you couldn't commit adultery if you were married. It didn't say anything about lust, you could lust after your neighbor's wife all you want to as long as you didn't act on it. The soldiers of Israel in that battle were allowed to take wives from the conquered and kill the rest of the enemies.

Ravindra9689 Says:

Jul 20, 2008 - It's pretty accurate, is it not all by the same God? How can something be "fine" then and not fine now, i thought he was unchanging -_-. Anyway, they weren't "wives" that's not how it's described. How can an unchanging god change the rules he wants us to follow? The fact of the matter is, that "But that's the old testament" Doesn't change the fact that they could do that, the thing is, that they were.

Matur1n Says:

Jul 20, 2008 - "How can something be "fine" then and not fine now,"You are the same guy who says "it may have worked 2000 years ago in the desert with tents and such, but not here, not now...". One place you want him to change the rules, now you object when you find they were changed? The OT was given to Israel, not the whole world. The NT was given to us all. As I explained, it is a radically different format, because as you noted, the world is very different now.

Ravindra9689 Says:

Jul 21, 2008 - okay, i think i'll delete this video now, since you've given me most of the answers i was looking for, you can Pm me anytime you want to or w/e.